Nationalisation .

Subjects that don't have their own home
User avatar
pre65
Amstrad Tower of Power
Posts: 21373
Joined: Wed Aug 22, 2007 11:13 pm
Location: North Essex/Suffolk border.

#16 Re: Nationalisation .

Post by pre65 »

Don't get me wrong, I would love it if all our essential services were run for the people on a not for profit basis.

The devil is in the details.

*
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

Edmund Burke

G-Popz THE easy listening connoisseur. (Philip)
Cressy Snr
Amstrad Tower of Power
Posts: 10552
Joined: Wed May 30, 2007 12:25 am
Location: South Yorks.

#17 Re: Nationalisation .

Post by Cressy Snr »

The only thing the companies running our stolen national assets are efficient at doing, is emptying people’s wallets at an ever increasing rate.
Last edited by Cressy Snr on Sat Jun 04, 2022 8:21 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Sgt. Baker started talkin’ with a Bullhorn in his hand.
User avatar
andrew Ivimey
Social Sevices have been notified
Posts: 8307
Joined: Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:33 am
Location: Bedford

#18 Re: Nationalisation .

Post by andrew Ivimey »

The devil is in people who don't understand the simplest anything but still insist they have a right to decide on....anything.

Nick, I think you are prevaricating... what's the point!
Philosophers have only interpreted the world - the point, however, is to change it. No it isn't ... maybe we should leave it alone for a while.
User avatar
Nick
Site Admin
Posts: 15706
Joined: Sun May 06, 2007 10:20 am
Location: West Yorkshire

#19 Re: Nationalisation .

Post by Nick »

pre65 wrote: Sat Jun 04, 2022 8:13 pm Don't get me wrong, I would love it if all our essential services were run for the people on a not for profit basis.

The devil is in the details.

*
That's not a reason to do or not to do something. It's another mean nothing phrase. Generally doing something well is better than doing it badly.

And why do you keep adding that * to your posts?
Whenever an honest man discovers that he's mistaken, he will either cease to be mistaken or he will cease to be honest.
User avatar
pre65
Amstrad Tower of Power
Posts: 21373
Joined: Wed Aug 22, 2007 11:13 pm
Location: North Essex/Suffolk border.

#20 Re: Nationalisation .

Post by pre65 »

Nick, what's up with you ?

If you have an answer to the nationalisation conundrum then say so.

Stop keep saying nothing makes sense, as what you are saying makes no sense to me. :?

Does the asterisk give you a problem ?

*
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

Edmund Burke

G-Popz THE easy listening connoisseur. (Philip)
User avatar
andrew Ivimey
Social Sevices have been notified
Posts: 8307
Joined: Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:33 am
Location: Bedford

#21 Re: Nationalisation .

Post by andrew Ivimey »

Even I wonder what it means.
Philosophers have only interpreted the world - the point, however, is to change it. No it isn't ... maybe we should leave it alone for a while.
User avatar
Nick
Site Admin
Posts: 15706
Joined: Sun May 06, 2007 10:20 am
Location: West Yorkshire

#22 Re: Nationalisation .

Post by Nick »

What's you with me? I guess I am getting tired of people seeming to be incapable of rational thought
But not sure why that's relivent.

Not sure what the conundrum is you talk about. It's only a problem if you believe the lies from self serving capitalist.

Ok then just what does "the devil is in the detail" mean. And exactly what relivence does it have in this context. And before you reply with "it means what it says" 1. That's not how you explain something. And 2. I don't believe in the devil.

And yes the asterisk annoys me.
Whenever an honest man discovers that he's mistaken, he will either cease to be mistaken or he will cease to be honest.
User avatar
Nick
Site Admin
Posts: 15706
Joined: Sun May 06, 2007 10:20 am
Location: West Yorkshire

#23 Re: Nationalisation .

Post by Nick »

No Andrew I guess there isn't one.
Whenever an honest man discovers that he's mistaken, he will either cease to be mistaken or he will cease to be honest.
User avatar
pre65
Amstrad Tower of Power
Posts: 21373
Joined: Wed Aug 22, 2007 11:13 pm
Location: North Essex/Suffolk border.

#24 Re: Nationalisation .

Post by pre65 »

OK, the devil is in the detail means that it depends on what you do to achieve an end result.

Having an objective is good, but what one does to try and achieve that objective can make it a success, or failure.

So far no-one has said anything to say how the UK government could re nationalise our utilities and other necessities and make them a success.

.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

Edmund Burke

G-Popz THE easy listening connoisseur. (Philip)
User avatar
Nick
Site Admin
Posts: 15706
Joined: Sun May 06, 2007 10:20 am
Location: West Yorkshire

#25 Re: Nationalisation .

Post by Nick »

But the same people will be doing the work. What is special about private companies that allows them to do anything that couldn't be done in a nationalised one? If a private company can do something then why can't a nationalised one? And they don't have to be run by the government. Does the government run the NHS?
Whenever an honest man discovers that he's mistaken, he will either cease to be mistaken or he will cease to be honest.
Daniel Quinn
Old Hand
Posts: 859
Joined: Thu Jan 05, 2017 9:19 am

#26 Re: Nationalisation .

Post by Daniel Quinn »

Pre please stop being stupid . That as to be the worst explanation of the saying I’ve seen and do you know what ‘inherently’ means , because you appear not to .

We don’t have much of a debate , it would seem everyone except pre agrees .

* pre I’m not sure what you believe because you talk in platitudes and ideology .

** Marx denoted ideology as a false belief
Last edited by Daniel Quinn on Sat Jun 04, 2022 9:35 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Daniel Quinn
Old Hand
Posts: 859
Joined: Thu Jan 05, 2017 9:19 am

#27 Re: Nationalisation .

Post by Daniel Quinn »

The govt ultimately runs the nhs . But I think some of the spirit of Bevan permeates the nhs and everyone who works for it sees it as a great socialist institution .
User avatar
pre65
Amstrad Tower of Power
Posts: 21373
Joined: Wed Aug 22, 2007 11:13 pm
Location: North Essex/Suffolk border.

#28 Re: Nationalisation .

Post by pre65 »

I Googled "does nationalisation work" to get some feel of the question, and the first quote I found was :-

"Nationalization can produce adverse effects, such as reducing competition in the marketplace, which in turn reduces incentives to innovation and maintains high prices. In the short run, nationalization can provide a larger revenue stream for government, but can cause the industry to falter in the longer run."

99
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

Edmund Burke

G-Popz THE easy listening connoisseur. (Philip)
User avatar
pre65
Amstrad Tower of Power
Posts: 21373
Joined: Wed Aug 22, 2007 11:13 pm
Location: North Essex/Suffolk border.

#29 Re: Nationalisation .

Post by pre65 »

Nick wrote: Sat Jun 04, 2022 9:25 pm
What is special about private companies that allows them to do anything that couldn't be done in a nationalised one? If a private company can do something then why can't a nationalised one?
Well, that is the big question.

"Economics Online suggests that in the past, many operators and managers of publicly owned utilities were not “required to meet any efficiency objectives set by the state”, and that “because these industries were protected from competition, they had become increasingly inefficient”."

46
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

Edmund Burke

G-Popz THE easy listening connoisseur. (Philip)
Daniel Quinn
Old Hand
Posts: 859
Joined: Thu Jan 05, 2017 9:19 am

#30 Re: Nationalisation .

Post by Daniel Quinn »

Why do you need competition in essential services ?.

Breakfast cereal maybe but essential services .
Post Reply